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		<title>By: Godlessons</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Godlessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 10:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t write this stuff for the people determined to believe in it.  I write it for those who are questioning it.  Letting people know that there are others out there that think like they do is helpful to them, and I do it for those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t write this stuff for the people determined to believe in it.  I write it for those who are questioning it.  Letting people know that there are others out there that think like they do is helpful to them, and I do it for those people.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjay Opulencia</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-649</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjay Opulencia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 09:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like your insight in everything you post in your website, thanks for giving me knew knowledge and idea about everything. Sadly your insight can never get through all the people, because of the barrier that religion put to their brain. That will instantly ignore everything you will put up to them. More power and Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your insight in everything you post in your website, thanks for giving me knew knowledge and idea about everything. Sadly your insight can never get through all the people, because of the barrier that religion put to their brain. That will instantly ignore everything you will put up to them. More power and Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Godlessons</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>Godlessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 04:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t write this stuff for the people determined to believe in it.  I write it for those who are questioning it.  Letting people know that there are others out there that think like they do is helpful to them, and I do it for those people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t write this stuff for the people determined to believe in it.  I write it for those who are questioning it.  Letting people know that there are others out there that think like they do is helpful to them, and I do it for those people.</p>
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		<title>By: Arjay Opulencia</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>Arjay Opulencia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 03:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like your insight in everything you post in your website, thanks for giving me knew knowledge and idea about everything. Sadly your insight can never get through all the people, because of the barrier that religion put to their brain. That will instantly ignore everything you will put up to them. More power and Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your insight in everything you post in your website, thanks for giving me knew knowledge and idea about everything. Sadly your insight can never get through all the people, because of the barrier that religion put to their brain. That will instantly ignore everything you will put up to them. More power and Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Low Acid Coffee</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>Low Acid Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never heard about this &quot;great coffee pot&quot;  May I know where can I see this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never heard about this &#8220;great coffee pot&#8221;  May I know where can I see this?</p>
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		<title>By: Godlessons</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Godlessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You were arguing that it&#039;s naughty of God to punish people for not believing him, now you&#039;re saying that the only people who should be punished by him are those who believe in him? If I&#039;m not understanding you, it&#039;s because you&#039;re not being clear.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Those are not opposites.&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not a God of the gaps argument to argue for an intelligence behind the universe. It&#039;s asking a purpose and cause question, not a question of how the universe itself works.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course it is when you can&#039;t prove an intelligent thing exists without presupposing the possibility in the first place.  When you presuppose that God is an option, especially if you can&#039;t rule out the possibility of any other option, you are using a God of the gaps argument.  If you notice when William Lane Craig gets to this point, where he has to show that this first cause is intelligent, he speaks rather fast, and says some gibberish about how it had to have intent, and thus must be intelligent, and a few other things, but he doesn&#039;t dwell on it long.  That is because that is the weakest part of his argument, and he knows it.  You can&#039;t get to intelligent first cause from first cause.  The mere fact that quantum mechanics and modern cosmology can show possibilities for the creation of the universe that are totally without a god shows that you can&#039;t rule out all other possibilities.  Plus, those possibilities are not intelligent.  They don&#039;t act with volition.  The only way to get to an intelligent god from the cosmological argument is to just assert it without evidence or necessity.  This assertion is God of the gaps.  I can&#039;t explain it without a God, therefore it was God.  Without the unnecessary assertion, God is totally uncalled for in the cosmological argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You were arguing that it&#39;s naughty of God to punish people for not believing him, now you&#39;re saying that the only people who should be punished by him are those who believe in him? If I&#39;m not understanding you, it&#39;s because you&#39;re not being clear.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those are not opposites.<br />
<blockquote>It&#39;s not a God of the gaps argument to argue for an intelligence behind the universe. It&#39;s asking a purpose and cause question, not a question of how the universe itself works.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course it is when you can&#39;t prove an intelligent thing exists without presupposing the possibility in the first place.  When you presuppose that God is an option, especially if you can&#39;t rule out the possibility of any other option, you are using a God of the gaps argument.  If you notice when William Lane Craig gets to this point, where he has to show that this first cause is intelligent, he speaks rather fast, and says some gibberish about how it had to have intent, and thus must be intelligent, and a few other things, but he doesn&#39;t dwell on it long.  That is because that is the weakest part of his argument, and he knows it.  You can&#39;t get to intelligent first cause from first cause.  The mere fact that quantum mechanics and modern cosmology can show possibilities for the creation of the universe that are totally without a god shows that you can&#39;t rule out all other possibilities.  Plus, those possibilities are not intelligent.  They don&#39;t act with volition.  The only way to get to an intelligent god from the cosmological argument is to just assert it without evidence or necessity.  This assertion is God of the gaps.  I can&#39;t explain it without a God, therefore it was God.  Without the unnecessary assertion, God is totally uncalled for in the cosmological argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Finden</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Finden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Either you are not following the conversation or you aren&#039;t understanding what I am saying.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You were arguing that it&#039;s naughty of God to punish people for not believing him, now you&#039;re saying that the only people who should be punished by him are those who believe in him? If I&#039;m not understanding you, it&#039;s because you&#039;re not being clear.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I would not call anything God unless it was at least intelligent. Nothing about an argument for a first cause necessitates an intelligent being unless you argue god of the gaps.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s not a God of the gaps argument to argue for an intelligence behind the universe. It&#039;s asking a purpose and cause question, not a question of how the universe itself works.&lt;br&gt;Figuring out how a combustion engine doesn&#039;t mean that Mr Ford as a designer is a man-of-the-gaps argument. (and in case you&#039;re tempted to assume that this is the kind of argument often labelled as ID, it&#039;s not.. that term has been hi-jacked by anti-evolutionary proponents, and that is not what I&#039;m arguing. please be clear on that.)&lt;br&gt;In fact, my short answer was partially intended to indicate that I don&#039;t have a huge desire to go down this path of the converstaion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Either you are not following the conversation or you aren&#39;t understanding what I am saying.</p></blockquote>
<p>You were arguing that it&#39;s naughty of God to punish people for not believing him, now you&#39;re saying that the only people who should be punished by him are those who believe in him? If I&#39;m not understanding you, it&#39;s because you&#39;re not being clear.</p>
<blockquote><p>I would not call anything God unless it was at least intelligent. Nothing about an argument for a first cause necessitates an intelligent being unless you argue god of the gaps.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#39;s not a God of the gaps argument to argue for an intelligence behind the universe. It&#39;s asking a purpose and cause question, not a question of how the universe itself works.<br />Figuring out how a combustion engine doesn&#39;t mean that Mr Ford as a designer is a man-of-the-gaps argument. (and in case you&#39;re tempted to assume that this is the kind of argument often labelled as ID, it&#39;s not.. that term has been hi-jacked by anti-evolutionary proponents, and that is not what I&#39;m arguing. please be clear on that.)<br />In fact, my short answer was partially intended to indicate that I don&#39;t have a huge desire to go down this path of the converstaion.</p>
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		<title>By: Godlessons</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Godlessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Weren&#039;t you just arguing a moment ago that it&#039;s the other way around?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Either you are not following the conversation or you aren&#039;t understanding what I am saying.&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Not so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wow, that&#039;s the best refutation I&#039;ve gotten forever.  I hope we can have more of these useless interchanges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Weren&#39;t you just arguing a moment ago that it&#39;s the other way around?</p></blockquote>
<p>Either you are not following the conversation or you aren&#39;t understanding what I am saying.<br />
<blockquote>Not so.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, that&#39;s the best refutation I&#39;ve gotten forever.  I hope we can have more of these useless interchanges.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Finden</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Finden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course it makes sense. Only people that believe in it should be expected to go to hell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Weren&#039;t you just arguing a moment ago that it&#039;s the other way around?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Nothing about an argument for a first cause necessitates an intelligent being unless you argue god of the gaps.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Of course it makes sense. Only people that believe in it should be expected to go to hell.</p></blockquote>
<p>Weren&#39;t you just arguing a moment ago that it&#39;s the other way around?</p>
<blockquote><p>Nothing about an argument for a first cause necessitates an intelligent being unless you argue god of the gaps.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not so.</p>
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		<title>By: Godlessons</title>
		<link>http://godlessons.com/2010/02/27/the-great-coffee-pot-doesnt-care-if-you-believe-in-him/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>Godlessons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That doesn&#039;t even make sense. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course it makes sense.  Only people that believe in it should be expected to go to hell.&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;No, arguments about first causes are not god-of-the-gaps.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Okay, let&#039;s get this straight.  There must be a first cause, therefore it must be God.  You can say that God is whatever the first cause is, but I would not call anything God unless it was at least intelligent.  Nothing about an argument for a first cause necessitates an intelligent being unless you argue god of the gaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That doesn&#39;t even make sense. </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course it makes sense.  Only people that believe in it should be expected to go to hell.<br />
<blockquote>No, arguments about first causes are not god-of-the-gaps.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay, let&#39;s get this straight.  There must be a first cause, therefore it must be God.  You can say that God is whatever the first cause is, but I would not call anything God unless it was at least intelligent.  Nothing about an argument for a first cause necessitates an intelligent being unless you argue god of the gaps.</p>
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